2nd stage question

[_Jason]

i still don't get takumi's new engine...
if the engine is just the japanese equivalent of the TRD engine, why was akiyama wataru so impressed by it? i mean, you can get built formula atlantic engines here in the us for 10k, and in order for his 4age to be able to handle enough boost to keep up, he'd need new forged pistons, connecting rod, camshaft, etc... which would cost about half as much in parts alone.
and how is that car even streetable? with the ports as wide as a full race engine, that thing must idle around 2500 rpm...

and an arcade stage question- how can iketani be ranked equal to itsuki? i mean, the hp differences between the sr20det and 4afe alone should make iketani worth a few more points...

[Keyzer Soaze]

i think it was more the way it LOOKED than anything else-the engine looks clean, and it just looks like it was made for the purpose of professional circut racing-while other engines made by streetracers probably look a bit sloppy

also, the craziest tuning ever conceived on a hachiroku, would probably be what Wataru has-a SICK turbocharged 4AG

and as for arcade stage-itsuki is a decent drifter-iketani sucks! :p

*itty bitty spoiler*

and also, i'm not sure how much manga was out at the time-but they could be counting itsuki's car as turbo charged-after the turbo upgrade his hachi-go is supposed to be pushing around 180hp...

[_Jason]

i'm still more amazed with takumi's setup. it seems more unbelievable due to its streetable form...

in reference to that spoiler,
ack! that's insane for a 3a-u. is it still carbuerated? were all the internals swapped? i mean, the 4agze (supercharged) only put out 145hp stock (at least here in the US)... and most importantly, where did he get all the money for this? =)

edit: and how did he go about reinforcing the chassis?
and i'm not bashing initial d. considering it's a 12:50 AM cartoon, it's amazingly accurate... (for some reason) much more than the multimillion dollar movies we make in the US.

[XOoET64oOX]

ack...boost question i have no idea on...

but i think it's the fact that takumi is a hi-rev engine and an "AE111" engine...i think it's the fact how he got that engine, and how he got it in there...

wataru...i don't kno...there should b boost control for the street so that his would not "butt-kick" that much on the street...

these are all a guess :p but makes some logic to me...

[Vash999]

I doubt he'd need to re-enforce the chassis for the engine, since it's a racing one it's doubtful that it weight anything even close to the original engine that was in the 86.  And given the nature of the racing style, too much torque is unlikely to be a problem, as the tires probably wouldn't bite all that well, unless he was replacing them every time (something that probably wouldn't be a gain anyway).

Tho, what I could never figure is how takumi and brunta afford this car.  I mean between the engine, tires, gas, ect, the thing has to cost more than most street racers, cept he's not racing for money (yet)...yes, these are the stupid things I wonder when I don't sleep much

[Keyzer Soaze]

vash - at one point, bunta mentions reinforcing the body-i'm assuming he means becuase of the engine, they didn't get into details

same here-i always wonder if bunta made a LOT of money at one point... :sweatdrop like if he raced, made a lot, and Takumi's mother made him quit or something... ~.~ and never made a name for himself, cuase yeh, mainly the tires seem like the problem to me-he drives like that at least 14 times a week, if not a lot more-imagine how much he has to replace the tires?!

[_Jason]

Originally posted by Vash999
I doubt he'd need to re-enforce the chassis for the engine,

the ae86 chassis is over fifteen years old. anything over about 150hp needs reinforcement.

since it's a racing one it's doubtful that it weight anything even close to the original engine that was in the 86.

true, but you can't just drop a Group A engine into a fifteen year old chassis...

Tho, what I could never figure is how takumi and brunta afford this car.  I mean between the engine, tires, gas, ect, the thing has to cost more than most street racers, cept he's not racing for money (yet)...yes, these are the stupid things I wonder when I don't sleep much

i always presumed that it was because bunta is well connected... like he knew the mechanic when the Group A engine was installed, so i'd imagine the installation cost him little to no money. the engine was probably a used one from keiichi tsuchiya... etc. of course, i like keyzer soaze's answer better. it leaves the series open for more side stories...

if i wanted to get into things that made me go "wtf?", i'd ask this: in 3rd stage, there's a dukes of hazard rip-off where the sw20 and ae86 start making ~5 feet drops. now, if you look at how little body roll the cars had while cornering before this, you can see that the spring rates they're using are high (which is good) but with minimal travel distance. how can that not cause some serious damage to their cars?

yeah, third stage had an excellent ending, but it got a little too silly for my liking... flying cars, mogi getting raped- unless takumi can snow drift! sounds like something tokyopop would write. =(

[Keyzer Soaze]

i think they did f up their cars :egrin
kai even says that he doesn't want to take responsiblity if he does "that" and something happens to the car-i think he meant more than the jumping alone

and since bunta knew exactly what was going to happen in the race, he may have fiddled with the suspension for it to work correctly, for that race... who knows...

and dont knock the snow drift!  the snow drift rocked!!!   i didn't see it like that at all in terms of "if he can snow drift"  i saw it more like, they were trying to show just how much skill matters over how good a car is..(can't phrase it right)

and also wanted to get back into takumi and mogi's relationship.. to prove that he would do something like that for her-not even knowing what was going on, but just becuase he loved her... but hes a fool, cause shes a ho :p

[_Jason]

Originally posted by Keyzer Soaze
kai even says that he doesn't want to take responsiblity if he does "that" and something happens to the car.

and since bunta knew exactly what was going to happen in the race, he may have fiddled with the suspension for it to work correctly, for that race... who knows...

but nothing does happen... and the height of that jump in the anime was way too high! i've seen tuned WRC cars damage themselves on smaller jumps.

and dont knock the snow drift!  the snow drift rocked!!!   i didn't see it like that at all in terms of "if he can snow drift"  i saw it more like, they were trying to show just how much skill matters over how good a car is..(can't phrase it right)

i'm not bashing the snow drift. the visuals were amazing. i'm bitching about the plot! i mean, mogi's going to be raped, so she calls the cops? no! she calls takumi. he's the only one that can save her... if he can snow-drift fast enough! i mean, rewatch it and tell me that isn't the low point of the series...

[_Jason]

[referring to 3rd stage] and ryosuke wearing a sweater-vest? ugh! he used to look so cool... so sharp and professional. now he looks like an old navy commercial. =(

[XOoET64oOX]

^^^ ROFL...

I think the SW20 jump was accurate in a way...as WRC cars are front heavy...and the SW is a "mid-ship"...so the jump in a way was balanced for it...but when u saw takumi jump...he did bottom out...i think during the race, bunta said there was a "hometown special" also...so i'm sure bunta had the mechanic take care of the car for that type of jumps.  (hey...it's an anime...they can make something that's 2% possible...POSSIBLE )

[Icefall]

Snow drift rocks.

The man that helped create the series is a racing legend, he knows his shizz.

This is anime, and if it were 100% realistic it would be boring :p Stop trying to show off your car knowledge by bashin' the stuff that makes it fun.

I just reinforced my shoes to handle more horsepower 8o

[_Jason]

i wasn't bashing initial d except for third stage, and rightly so. first time i saw the jump scene, i immediately thought "what's next? a big explosion?"

and did i bash the snow drift itself, or the story with mogi leading up to it?